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Adam Butler: Stacking Diversified Carry Strategies with RSSY & RSBY ETFs

In this exclusive interview, Adam Butler provides a comprehensive exploration of diversified Carry strategies, a concept traditionally confined to institutional investors. He begins by defining Carry—the expected return on an investment if its price remains unchanged—and explains its mechanics across equities, bonds, currencies, and commodities. The discussion highlights how combining these various Carry sources offers powerful diversification benefits. Adam then connects this to the concept of Return Stacking, explaining how ETFs like Return Stacked® U.S. Stocks & Futures Yield (RSSY) and Return Stacked® Bonds & Futures Yield (RSBY) seek to broaden access to sophisticated strategies by incorporating them alongside traditional stock and bond allocations.

Topics Discussed

  1. Defining Carry beyond the traditional currency trade to include yields from stocks, bonds, and commodities
  2. The strategy of diversifying Carry across multiple global asset classes to create a smoother return profile
  3. The mechanics of a long/short global Carry portfolio that maximizes risk-adjusted yield across markets
  4. Carry's role as an uncorrelated diversifier to traditional stock and bond portfolios and its complementary relationship with Trend following
  5. The concept of Return Stacking as a method to add diversifying strategies without selling core assets
  6. Using Return Stacking to overcome behavioral biases like investor regret and the reluctance to diversify away from equities
  7. The democratization of institutional strategies through ETFs like RSSY and RSBY, which stack Carry on core holdings
  8. The operational complexity and data-intensive nature of Carry strategies, explaining their historical inaccessibility to retail investors
  9. Setting long-term return expectations for Carry and viewing periods of underperformance as building potential energy
  10. The argument for seeking returns in less efficient macro markets compared to the highly competitive micro world of stock picking

Investors should consider the investment objectives, risks, charges, and expenses carefully before investing. This and other important information about the Return Stacked® ETF lineup is contained in their respective prospectus', which can be obtained by calling 1-844-737-3001 or clicking here.

Investments involve risk. Principal loss is possible. Unlike mutual funds, ETFs may trade at a premium or discount to their net asset value. Brokerage commissions may apply and would reduce returns.

ETFs are subject to specific risks, depending on the nature of the underlying strategy of the fund. These risks could include liquidity risk, sector risk, as well as risks associated with fixed income securities, real estate investments, and commodities, to name a few. While the shares of ETFs are tradeable on secondary markets, they may not readily trade in all market conditions and may trade at significant discounts in periods of market stress. ETFs trade like stocks, are subject to investment risk, fluctuate in market value and may trade at prices above or below the ETF's net asset value. Brokerage commissions and ETF expenses will reduce returns. There is no guarantee that the Fund will achieve its objective.

Tidal Investments, LLC (“Tidal”) serves as investment adviser to the Funds and the Funds’ Subsidiary.

Newfound Research LLC (“Newfound”) serves as investment sub-adviser to the Funds.

ReSolve Asset Management SEZC (Cayman) (“ReSolve”) serves as futures trading advisor to the Fund and the Funds’ Subsidiary.

Foreside Fund Services, LLC is the distributor for the Funds. Foreside is not related to Tidal, Newfound, or ReSolve.

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Rodrigo Gordillo

Rodrigo Gordillo is the President and Portfolio Manager at ReSolve Asset Management Global, an alternative asset management firm specializing in globally diversified systematic investment strategies. He co-founded ReSolve Asset Management Inc. in 2015 and expanded to ReSolve Asset Management Global in 2021. Starting his career at John Hancock focusing on pensions, Gordillo transitioned to the ultra-high-net-worth sector with i3 Advisors Inc. He held significant roles at Macquarie Private Wealth, Dundee Goodman Private Wealth, and Richardson GMP, enhancing his expertise in investment decisions and client wealth management.
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Corey Hoffstein

Corey Hoffstein is the CEO and Chief Investment Officer of Newfound Research, a quantitative investment and research firm based in the Greater Tampa Bay Area, United States. Hoffstein co-founded Newfound Research with the aim of assisting investors in proactively managing investment risks through diversification, specifically by leveraging Return Stacking™ strategies. The firm specializes in managing alternative strategies and capital-efficient solutions, enabling the implementation of these innovative investment concepts. In addition to his role at Newfound Research, Hoffstein also serves as a Portfolio Manager at Return Stacked® Portfolio Solutions.